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GSP,my Dear Friend:

I will take the risk and I will continue this discussion at my own peril.
First of all I start offering you an apology....because I am going to continue p****s you off...this is not the first time I p****s you off and I think it will not be the last one.

When a knowledge serves Humanity then ceases to be yours...belongs to Humanity and you have the moral obligation to make it public.Let us imagine that ,right now,you discover a new method for processing gold (ore or scrap) without fume releasing,without using acids or toxic substances and using substances that you can find in a supermarket,I ask you,GSP,would you post it here?...would you make it public? or would you hide it with seven locks to become a kind of Bill Gates in the gold processing industry?.

GSP,you have provided many valuable knowledge through your 1647 posts...but about the Film Chart you posted it FIRST...then "the helpful suggestions of a couple of members" changed your mind and the Film Chart dissapeared.It does not seem fair,you have said that your kwonledge is yours and yours only but this time it was manipulated by "the helpful suggestions of a couple of members".

I do not have secrets with this wonderful Forum...all I know and all my completed investigation is right here....of course,I continuing investigation about new processes...new substances...the reason that I have not posted them is very easy:They are not already finished or they are not working as I expect...and I do not mind to make it public,here is what I am working on:

-Silver content in mirrors
-Gold content in cell phone scrap
-Gold content in tonner cartidges
-Thiosulfate leaching of gold ores instead cyanide process
- Bromine and Iodine leaching of gold
- Organic solvents for gold and PGM

The first three are well advanced...the last three are not working and will need more time.

Your friend
Manuel
 
I have to agree with GSP because I am not a socialist. If I have information that I spent the time to research and compile, then it is mine. If I want to share it, then that is up to me. I WILL NOT EVER give up my rights for the good of humanity.
 
When a knowledge serves Humanity then ceases to be yours...belongs to Humanity and you have the moral obligation to make it public.
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This isn't a cure for cancer. It's just a list of film values. You're blowing this thing out of all proportion.

Let us imagine that ,right now,you discover a new method for processing gold (ore or scrap) without fume releasing,without using acids or toxic substances and using substances that you can find in a supermarket,I ask you,GSP,would you post it here?...would you make it public?
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With something as miraculous as that, I would probably sell it. Altruism has its limits.
 
Hosef:

In this moment,here and now,the world, where paper money was prevailing,that the greed was positive and the money meant power, has stopped to rotate in its axis.

The most powerful tool that this wonderful Forum has it is the free publication of knwoledge.This knowledge will be the engine that drives the Forum Members to improve processes or discover new ones.

When you drink water remember the fountain,nothing annoys God more than ingratitude.

Manuel
 
GSP,my Dear Friend:

Believe it or not the recovery of precious metals is so important as cancer cure.Precious metals are non-renewable resources,the recovery processes are hig pollution and it is therefore necessary to develop better processes of recovery.The cure of cancer and the recovering of precious metals point to a common goal:Improving the quality of human life.

So it is very important to share your great knowledge freely with the Forum Members,in fact,you have been doing all the time until you came up with the absurd idea of the 10 posts.

About the imaginary new process for gold that I told you...well..it is not imaginary...this process does exist...its name is AP...the inventor is Mr. Steven Sackett(yes,folks,Mr.Sackett is Steve,The Greatest or lazersteve),this process is FREE available in this forum..Steve´s wonderful web site has many useful processes and information,all FREE...thank God that Steve is in this Forum.Come on,GSP..Does altruism has its limits?.

Have a nice day.

Your friend
Manuel
 
Ummm, I must be missing somethign here.

Whats wrong with a requirement that someone participate before they can see something? We all must register to even view the posts, so why not participate to see information that some would like to have kept to a few?
Even askign questions raises post count, its not like GSP wants everyone to share 10 facts before they can see the holy grail :p

I asked for the information, and in less than a day, I received it. Thanks GSP, as I realize it was YOUR choice to send it to me.
and Thank you to everyone else that has shared information here. 8)
 
JustinNH:

The problem here is that policy Forum established that information is free available...you do not need to pay 10 cents,10 dollars or 10 posts to get it,well,this is what I understand but I must recognize that my english is not good enough,probably I did not read well...Can anybody,please,tell me if we have to pay anything for information posted in this Forum?.

Look,JustinNH,I know that GSP said 10 posts to promote the member´s participation,but,How can,a member with less than 10 posts get the information?..no way,IF the information is free available it will promote members participation..there are more than 5500 members that do not have 10 posts´.

Finally,if you do not want to share your knowledge(whatever the cause) then do not post it...it is up to you.I perfectly known that there will be always selfish and ungrateful people.

Regards.

Manuel
 
Yes, but we would not have that knowledge if people didn't share. it is their knowledge to give to us. That being said, GSP has every right to say 10 posts, which is very reasonable. it prevents lurkers from just getting information without themselves contributing even an introduction at the very least.

Anyways, Im not trying to argue, just back up that i believe GSP and anyone else has every right to do what they wish. I once again thank everyone who contributes 8)
 
Manuel, you are very close to being labeled troll in my view. Not that it matter as I'm not a moderator in this forum.
I don't get it why you are so upset about this. It is not like GSP is keeping anything secret, I see it like he is awarding the members who adds to the forum by participating.
The data isn't that essential, it is a handy tool to calculate values without doing an assay in a narrow area of refining.

Personally I'm all for an open sharing world. So much that I'm engaged in the Swedish Pirate party. :D But I don't believe in trying to force someone to share information against their will. You should have tried flattery instead, it would probably have worked a lot better.

On a forum we have no rights and only obligations to follow the rules. You are right, we haven't paid anything but that doesn't give us any rights to other peoples information.

Cool down and apologize before you get banned from the forum. I think you are getting close to that point.

... but, this is only my point of view.

I know, don't feed the trolls. :D
 
Nobody is going to get thrown off, but....

I want to end this. Concerning this issue, Juan and I are at total opposite poles. I don't agree, and will never agree, with anything he has said. Any further discussion is futile. We've both said all that we need to say. Let's get back to important things.

I went the the giant Kansas City VA today to get an x-ray. I found that all their x-rays are recorded digitally. No more hard copies. No more silver. It won't be long before the entire industry has gone in this direction.
 
Digital cameras have put a decent dent in silver consumption as well. With the current economy, investment silver has been consuming that demand plus some. Electronics will continue to be the big consumer that is put in landfills instead of recovered until prices climb substantially.

They will.
 
g_axelsson:

IF exercise the rights enshrined in all Constitutions of the civilized world(we have all created equal,with the same rights to Life and Freedom) makes me a troll...well...I am glad to be a troll.

I am not upset,perhaps I am disapointted because a man like GSP(with his talent,his great knowledge,his enormous experience and who has helped many people in this Forum) had posted a valuable knowledge and some time after,he deleted it and then asked 10 posts for get it, because a couple of nice gentlemen told him to do it.

I disagree with you about the data,ALL knowledge provided by GSP is very important and essential,since the Film Chart provides silver contents in all films (X ray,Lithographies and films) then becomes an integral part for anyone who wants to recover silver commercially without assying each kind of film.

Flattery?..come on,g_axelsson...since the first time I asked GSP to re-post the Chart...to force GSP to share information against his will?...damn..not even my sons obey me...Why can you think that I am forcing GSP to do anything against his will?..no way...GSP does just as he pleases(right or wrong).

Without taking into account rights and obligations this, Forum has rules...those rules say that information is free available in the Forum....rules must be obeyed (like the song "The winner takes it all"by ABBA,my favorite band).

From the beginning I offered an apology to GSP, I am cool down..as cool as the ice in Swedish,a country that I admire and like a lot but if my way of thinking makes me be banned from this Forum,then I will die like a Viking warrior,fighting,with my face looking at the sun and with my sword in my hand.

Gud välsigne dig.

Manuel
 
Oz:

You are right,digital cameras do not use silver film but printing a picture needs paper with silver halides,ink jet printer paper is very expensive,inks cartridges are expensive too.

About films and radiographies the new technologies(CTP and digital X ray) will move the old silver process but it does not mean that the silver recovery from films will go away.Industrial radiographies must be stored by 5 years,at least.In this field,there is a lot of silver to recovery.

Regards

Mnauel
 
Manuel,

I am not suggesting that the film industry is dead, just dropping off. Most are content to keep pictures in digital format now and seldom print them. To the best of my knowledge printer ink does not contain silver (I could easily be wrong) unless you count the traces from the bottom of the cartridges.

As x-ray films go digital there will be old supply for some time.

There will always be some supply but it is changing. There will be new uses for silver as well since it is the most reflective and conductive metal.

I fully expect silver prices to go high enough to bring interest in recovering it from electronics though as we are consuming it even in this downturn of economy faster than it is being mined. Base metal mines are shutting down due to low base metal prices but it should be remembered that 60% or more of the world’s silver comes to us as a by-product of base metal mining primarily lead and zinc.

Yes, I am a fan of silver.
 
With those great instant print machines everywhere, you can't even consider doing your own photo printing. Wal-mart, in my small home town, has 3 machines. Put in your card, select the pictures you want, crop and zoom. Get your prints in about 2 or 3 minutes. The prints are excellent. I think they charge 27 cents. Zero silver
 

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