Insoluble in residual acid, shiny powder rock sediment reacts with boiling water.

[miad]

قهوه ای تیره می تواند هر چیزی باشد.
اما بعید است هر فلز گرانبهایی، اغلب مثبت کاذب در نظر گرفته می شود.
طلا و نقره نادر هستند اما در مقایسه با PGM ها بسیار رایج هستند.
بیشتر اکسیدها و سیلیکات ها در اسیدها و قلیاها حل نمی شوند.
PGM ها در AR حل می شوند، حداقل رایج ترین.
Rh به آرامی حل می شود و Ir مقاوم است اما هنوز برخی از PGM های دیگر مانند Pd و Pt پیروی می کنند.
برای بررسی، در یک تخته مسی قرار دهید تا آنچه در آن وجود دارد سیمان شود.
مطمئن شوید که آشفتگی خوبی دارید.
هر پودری که بیرون می آید، فلزات گرانبها به اضافه یک یا دو فلز دیگر خوا

I filtered first
I then placed a piece of copper in the filtered solution and an aquarium air pump for circulation
I gave it 24 hours, only the solution turned green
I put it on heat for 2 hours and then let it cool for 15 hours
Now I filtered the sediment, green water comes out and brown sediment remains.

 

[Yggdrasil]

I filtered first
I then placed a piece of copper in the filtered solution and an aquarium air pump for circulation
I gave it 24 hours, only the solution turned green
I put it on heat for 2 hours and then let it cool for 15 hours
Now I filtered the sediment, green water comes out and brown sediment remains.

Please explain!
You filtered well and the put in a Copper piece and bubbling air through it?
So far so good.
It will become green because the Copper swaps place with what ever is in solution, if precious.
After this, how did the Copper look like and how did the sediment look like?
You filtered the sediment and it is brown?

There is nothing brown that can come out from this, unless there is a lot of copper powder in there.

But tell me what is the slab in picture no. 4
Strange color.

 

[miad]

Please explain!
You filtered well and the put in a Copper piece and bubbling air through it?
So far so good.
It will become green because the Copper swaps place with what ever is in solution, if precious.
After this, how did the Copper look like and how did the sediment look like?
You filtered the sediment and it is brown?

There is nothing brown that can come out from this, unless there is a lot of copper powder in there.

But tell me what is the slab in picture no. 4
Strange color.
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I poured this copper into it
It was reacting from the first moments, a little black color separated from it
I came tomorrow
Completely green
It was completely transparent
An article to increase
Reaction speed
said
It should be hot, I put it on the heat
2 hours
This sediment
Was formed
Did I do something wrong?
And the bubbles are generated from the air pump because I don't have a mixer

 

[Yggdrasil]

I poured this copper into it
It was reacting from the first moments, a little black color separated from it
I came tomorrow
Completely green
It was completely transparent
An article to increase
Reaction speed
said
It should be hot, I put it on the heat
2 hours
This sediment
Was formed
Did I do something wrong?
And the bubbles are generated from the air pump because I don't have a mixer

It do not need to be hot.
You should have left it just for an hour or two.
Bubbling is just as good as stirring, but start bubbling before you put in the Copper.
Then remove the copper after a while, it is not easy to say when the cementing is finished.
But if the solution is completely transparent it should be finished.
Remove the Copper and brush of any discoloration from the Copper into the solution.
Then lat it sit until all has settled.
Siphon off the liquid and collect the powder.
If you have valuables it is in that powder.

 

[miad]

It do not need to be hot.
You should have left it just for an hour or two.
Bubbling is just as good as stirring, but start bubbling before you put in the Copper.
Then remove the copper after a while, it is not easy to say when the cementing is finished.
But if the solution is completely transparent it should be finished.
Remove the Copper and brush of any discoloration from the Copper into the solution.
Then lat it sit until all has settled.
Siphon off the liquid and collect the powder.
If you have valuables it is in that powder.

It do not need to be hot.
You should have left it just for an hour or two.
Bubbling is just as good as stirring, but start bubbling before you put in the Copper.
Then remove the copper after a while, it is not easy to say when the cementing is finished.
But if the solution is completely transparent it should be finished.
Remove the Copper and brush of any discoloration from the Copper into the solution.
Then lat it sit until all has settled.
Siphon off the liquid and collect the powder.
If you have valuables it is in that powder.

We have to wash this obtained powder with water and then give it to the laboratory
Or do I have to do other things, this green water left from filtering
What should I do with it?

 

[Yggdrasil]

We have to wash this obtained powder with water and then give it to the laboratory
Or do I have to do other things, this green water left from filtering
What should I do with it?

The powder now contain a lot of Copper I think.
How do the lab test it?

The liquid should be waste, but as a safety mechanism we routinely divert it to a "stock pot" for later cementing.
In this case maybe not necessary.

Run it through your waste treatment system, you do have that right?

 

[miad]

The powder now contain a lot of Copper I think.
How do the lab test it?

The liquid should be waste, but as a safety mechanism we routinely divert it to a "stock pot" for later cementing.
In this case maybe not necessary.

Run it through your waste treatment system, you do have that right?

My friends say never throw anything away in this work

 

[Martijn]

The powder now contain a lot of Copper I think.
How do the lab test it?

The liquid should be waste, but as a safety mechanism we routinely divert it to a "stock pot" for later cementing.
In this case maybe not necessary.

Run it through your waste treatment system, you do have that right?

In case he does not:
https://goldrefiningforum.com/threads/dealing-with-waste.10539/

 

[Yggdrasil]

My friends say never throw anything away in this work

They are correct for the most cases.

 

[Edlin]

I gave this sample to the laboratory
with hydrochloric acid and nitric acid
A long time
This means that there should be no iron in this powder
and dissolves in acid
Am I wrong because the xrf test has a lot of iron
I have already separated the photo of the sample powder
It is completely silver

This is an EDX spectrum, not XRF. That’s why the chlorine is detected.

 

[Martijn]

I filtered first
I then placed a piece of copper in the filtered solution and an aquarium air pump for circulation
I gave it 24 hours, only the solution turned green
I put it on heat for 2 hours and then let it cool for 15 hours
Now I filtered the sediment, green water comes out and brown sediment remains.

You really need to work cleaner than this. I hope you are using gloves.

 

[kurtak]

Did I do something wrong?

Yes - in fact EVERYTHING you are doing is ABSOLUTELY WRONG !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your rock is serpentine & there are ABSOLUTELY NO precious metals in it !!!!!!!!!!!!

So STOP wasting your time chasing after something that is NOT there !!!!!!!

And most important STOP creating a BUNCH OF TOXIC WASTE !!!!!!!!!!!

Testing rock with acids is NOT the way to figure out if they have precious metals in them !!!!!!!!

Testing a rock for precious metals with an XRF is NOT the way to do it ether - XRF testing of rock are unreliable & willing lie to you !!!!!!!!

If you want to test a rock for precious metals you NEED to do a fire assay on the rock

A fire assay is a smelting process using lead as the collector metal

Learn how to do fire assay if you want to test rocks for precious metals !!!!!!!!

Testing rocks with acids is a FOOLS GAME

STOP being a fool !!!!!!!

Kurt

 

[kurtak]

To check, put in a slab of Copper to cement out what is there.

Please explain!
You filtered well and the put in a Copper piece and bubbling air through it?
So far so good.
It will become green because the Copper swaps place with what ever is in solution, if precious.
After this, how did the Copper look like and how did the sediment look like?
You filtered the sediment and it is brown?

There is nothing brown that can come out from this, unless there is a lot of copper powder in there.

But tell me what is the slab in picture no. 4
Strange color.

The powder now contain a lot of Copper I think.
How do the lab test it?

The liquid should be waste, but as a safety mechanism we routinely divert it to a "stock pot" for later cementing.
In this case maybe not necessary.

Run it through your waste treatment system, you do have that right?

My very dear friend - this is all good advice when we know there are PMs in solution to start with

The problem we have here is that there are absolutely NO PMs to start with because the rock(s) have NO PMs in the first place

So all you are doing here by explaining these methods to him is showing him how to create even more toxic waste from the toxic waste he created in the first place chasing after something that does not exist

Your advice to him should be ----------

STOP DOING WHAT YOU ARE DOING !!!!! --- your rocks have NO PMS in them !!!!!!!

Kurt

 

[Yggdrasil]

My very dear friend - this is all good advice when we know there are PMs in solution to start with

The problem we have here is that there are absolutely NO PMs to start with because the rock(s) have NO PMs in the first place

So all you are doing here by explaining these methods to him is showing him how to create even more toxic waste from the toxic waste he created in the first place chasing after something that does not exist

Your advice to him should be ----------

STOP DOING WHAT YOU ARE DOING !!!!! --- your rocks have NO PMS in them !!!!!!!

Kurt

I have tried that, so now my plan was to let him Cement it out.
Have it been done correctly this would have been it.
Somehow he had "invented" some special procedures of himself.
To encourage self studies I tend left the details out, cementing should be easy enough.

 

[Martijn]

Everything Kurt said.
and:

My very dear friend - this is all good advice when we know there are PMs in solution to start with

The problem we have here is that there are absolutely NO PMs to start with because the rock(s) have NO PMs in the first place

So all you are doing here by explaining these methods to him is showing him how to create even more toxic waste from the toxic waste he created in the first place chasing after something that does not exist

Your advice to him should be ----------

STOP DOING WHAT YOU ARE DOING !!!!! --- your rocks have NO PMS in them !!!!!!!

Kurt

The OP already built his rocket and is lost in deep space looking for that gold and PGM asteroid Baba Vanga prophesized in his dreams. To late to stop now.
It's called denial. And gold fever blindness.
Yggdrasil is just too good for this world and has infinite patience.
These thing tend to go on for 3 pages long... so we must be coming to a conclusion soon.

I suspect something like: there is nothing precious there..

Unless it's a new discovery like calaverite. ( nooo!! don't feed him with more long shot options)

 

[kurtak]

I have tried that, so now my plan was to let him Cement it out.

I think you missed my point

On page 1 I told him exactly what his rock was (serpentine) I also very clearly told him that there is NO precious metals in his rock & to therefore STOP trying to chase precious metal in the rock with acids as all he is/was doing is creating TOXIC waste

So - at that point this thread should have gone nowhere concerning any other processes in chasing after precious metal - because THERE ARE NONE

The ONLY other advice that should of been given (after what I posted on page 1) should have been to tell him how to make the TOXIC waste he had already created safe for disposal (adjust Ph to neutral etc.)

But instead - 3 pages later - we now have even more TOXIC waste (solution with copper in it now) so now he is going to need to make more toxic waste because he now NEEDS to cement the copper out of the solution (copper hydroxides are still toxic) & then after cementing the copper do what should have been done in the first place to make the solution safe for disposal

In other words - now - after 3 pages of creating toxic waste - chasing after something that does not exist - we still have to post more to tell him how to make all this toxic waste he has created safe for disposal

So (& I hate to say this) but because you helped him to create all this toxic waste I feel it is up to you to now help him clean up the MESS & make it safe for disposal

Kurt

 

[Yggdrasil]

My friends say never throw anything away in this work

Kurt is right, there should not be any Values in this rock.
And if you followed the many advice given to you.
You would have stopped a long time ago.

Now you have to treat it as waste and dispose of it in a responsible manner.
Follow the procedures in here, but keep in mind always keep the powders and filters wet.
https://goldrefiningforum.com/threads/dealing-with-waste.10539/

 

[goldshark]

It seems like alchemy is still alive, and rocking it hard in the 21st century. If there ain't no Gold in them rocks, I am going to make some.

 

[miad]

I think you missed my point

On page 1 I told him exactly what his rock was (serpentine) I also very clearly told him that there is NO precious metals in his rock & to therefore STOP trying to chase precious metal in the rock with acids as all he is/was doing is creating TOXIC waste

So - at that point this thread should have gone nowhere concerning any other processes in chasing after precious metal - because THERE ARE NONE

The ONLY other advice that should of been given (after what I posted on page 1) should have been to tell him how to make the TOXIC waste he had already created safe for disposal (adjust Ph to neutral etc.)

But instead - 3 pages later - we now have even more TOXIC waste (solution with copper in it now) so now he is going to need to make more toxic waste because he now NEEDS to cement the copper out of the solution (copper hydroxides are still toxic) & then after cementing the copper do what should have been done in the first place to make the solution safe for disposal

In other words - now - after 3 pages of creating toxic waste - chasing after something that does not exist - we still have to post more to tell him how to make all this toxic waste he has created safe for disposal

So (& I hate to say this) but because you helped him to create all this toxic waste I feel it is up to you to now help him clean up the MESS & make it safe for disposal

Kurt

Hi again
This time I gave the raw stone to the laboratory without acid treatment
A much more advanced and reliable lab has all the elements I suspected
Device Name: Scanning Electron Microscope
Device model: TESCAN-Vega3
Manufacturer: TESCAN, Czech Republic
w%
It shows the percentage value of the elements

 

[miad]

Hi again
This time I gave the raw stone to the laboratory without acid treatment
A much more advanced and reliable lab has all the elements I suspected
Device Name: Scanning Electron Microscope
Device model: TESCAN-Vega3
Manufacturer: TESCAN, Czech Republic
w%
It shows the percentage value of the elements