Shor Simplicity System
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kuma
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Hello Brian , welcome to the forum!
I have no experience with the Shor system , but the general consesus around here is that the Shor system is a waste of both time and money.
To sum it up in just one of many such quotes from the forum regarding Shor ;
The chemicals that they sell are just *everyday* chemicals that have been rebranded and then sold at inflated prices.
These chemicals can be bought much cheaper in more common forms such as drain clearer and masonry cleaner.
From what I understand aswell , they are less than forthcoming with any assistance that you may require when using their products.
For a fraction of the price , you can achieve the same end (recovery and refining of precious metals) with some plastic buckets , glass beakers and some off the shelf chemicals.
The best advice that I could offer to anybody considering buying one of their systems would be to forget the Shor system , download a copy of C. M. Hoke's book , and study this and the forum and learn how to recover and refine precious metals for themselves.
My thinking is that most people see the Shore systems online and assume that they can just fork out for a magic machine that will somehow mysteriously transform their gold scrap into refined bullion with little to no knowledgeable input from the operator.
As you know , it's not quiet as simple as that ,
All the best for now chief , and kind regards ,
Chris :mrgreen:
I have no experience with the Shor system , but the general consesus around here is that the Shor system is a waste of both time and money.
To sum it up in just one of many such quotes from the forum regarding Shor ;
patnor1011 said:
The chemicals that they sell are just *everyday* chemicals that have been rebranded and then sold at inflated prices.
These chemicals can be bought much cheaper in more common forms such as drain clearer and masonry cleaner.
From what I understand aswell , they are less than forthcoming with any assistance that you may require when using their products.
For a fraction of the price , you can achieve the same end (recovery and refining of precious metals) with some plastic buckets , glass beakers and some off the shelf chemicals.
The best advice that I could offer to anybody considering buying one of their systems would be to forget the Shor system , download a copy of C. M. Hoke's book , and study this and the forum and learn how to recover and refine precious metals for themselves.
My thinking is that most people see the Shore systems online and assume that they can just fork out for a magic machine that will somehow mysteriously transform their gold scrap into refined bullion with little to no knowledgeable input from the operator.
As you know , it's not quiet as simple as that ,
All the best for now chief , and kind regards ,
Chris :mrgreen:
http://www.goldrefiningforum.com/phpBB3/search.php?keywords=shor+simplicity&terms=all&author=&sv=0&sc=1&sf=all&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&st=0&ch=300&t=0&submit=Search
That took about 10 seconds to search for that - I just typed shor simplicity in the search box and got 53 hits. The first thing to learn on this forum is that you are expected to search and read before asking your questions. No one here will hold your hand, especially on a subject that's been discussed 100 times and it's obvious that you haven't searched for it.
That took about 10 seconds to search for that - I just typed shor simplicity in the search box and got 53 hits. The first thing to learn on this forum is that you are expected to search and read before asking your questions. No one here will hold your hand, especially on a subject that's been discussed 100 times and it's obvious that you haven't searched for it.
kuma said:
Thank you. Yes I am all too aware of the Shor method of rebadging. They seem to believe the rest of us don't know how to look up MSDS sheets. All I really want to know is if anyone is or has used the system in the past and had any input based on experience. It's an inviting way of doing thing considering it could sit on your kitchen counter without running out the house. Hey, if you know of a similar system, I have the money and time these days. I'd sure appreciate some help.
So currently I do stripping and recovery, no refining(yet). I did AR once and the load got trashed due to circumstances out of my control--like a wife.
Geo
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Brian66 said:
be very careful, or you will find your stay here a short one.
Brian I concur with Geo you don't want to start a battle you won't win.
In GSPs case as a long standing member and moderator of the forum he has probably answered the same questions many times and as a newer member I find it irritating in the extreme going over the same points time and time again.
In your defence your a newbie to the forum so probably haven't found your way around yet or worked out how the forum works.
It says it all in the header of the forum and the gentleman you just insulted has more years of professional refining than most of us have been on the planet with a vast amount of knowledge on most aspects of this hobby or business which he shares freely, time allowing.
The rules on the forum are simple but strict, no bad language, no insults, no religion or politics, no dangerous methods or practises and the use of proper language and use of terms to the best of the members ability, we make allowances for those for whom English isn't their first language.
We yank each others chains occasionally but only in fun, we try to remain scientists and use correct terminology and chemical names, we try to ensure the safety of all who might come here, their family, neighbours and the environment and you won't find a better resource on recovery or refining of precious metals anywhere!
We can be tetchy but remember no one is been paid here, this is all free, it would cost tens of millions of dollars to accumulate the knowledge on here...this is eldorado!
Are you starting to get my point?
In GSPs case as a long standing member and moderator of the forum he has probably answered the same questions many times and as a newer member I find it irritating in the extreme going over the same points time and time again.
In your defence your a newbie to the forum so probably haven't found your way around yet or worked out how the forum works.
It says it all in the header of the forum and the gentleman you just insulted has more years of professional refining than most of us have been on the planet with a vast amount of knowledge on most aspects of this hobby or business which he shares freely, time allowing.
The rules on the forum are simple but strict, no bad language, no insults, no religion or politics, no dangerous methods or practises and the use of proper language and use of terms to the best of the members ability, we make allowances for those for whom English isn't their first language.
We yank each others chains occasionally but only in fun, we try to remain scientists and use correct terminology and chemical names, we try to ensure the safety of all who might come here, their family, neighbours and the environment and you won't find a better resource on recovery or refining of precious metals anywhere!
We can be tetchy but remember no one is been paid here, this is all free, it would cost tens of millions of dollars to accumulate the knowledge on here...this is eldorado!
Are you starting to get my point?
nickvc said:
Well then, if the rules are so strict then why does he start off insulting and condescending for? Maybe it's time for a new moderator if he can't do the job properly. Seriously, I moderate 1 hunting forum, 1 fishing forum, and 1 politics and religion forum. Not once in my 14 years of doing that have I ever come off at anyone like that much less a new guy.
its-all-a-lie
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the search bar is on the forum for this very reason. if you cant use it, you shouldnt expect to recieve much help from anyone. like chris told you, noone is going to hold your hand or bottle feed you. where do you see him getting wrong with you?
Brian Shor is something which crops up here on the forum on a regular basis and annoyingly it's from people looking for an easy way to refine, which doesn't exist, and usually after the poor soul has messed up big time and can't get advice from the company that sold them the rubbish in the first place at greatly inflated prices you can do the same thing using a few buckets and some mason jars, but...and it's a big but, you have to know what your doing.
Spend a little time here on the forum and I'm sure you will understand the attitude.
We will help, we will advise but we won't hold another members hands, we expect new members to help themselves and do the reading and studying necessary, ask questions if you just can't understand something you will get an answer if your doing your part and the older members know when someone just wants easy gold and no work or effort.
Brian remove that comment, or apologise if you want to have a happy time here if not it's back to Shor and their help and advice which appears to be non existent unless it's to sell you more high priced product.
I said it earlier this is Eldorado, there is no better resource anywhere but you won't get much backing having a go at any of the mods or even other members, I gave you a way out with the in your
defence comment, take it you won't be sorry, if you don't I'm afraid you will regret it if you really are interested in refining.
Spend a little time here on the forum and I'm sure you will understand the attitude.
We will help, we will advise but we won't hold another members hands, we expect new members to help themselves and do the reading and studying necessary, ask questions if you just can't understand something you will get an answer if your doing your part and the older members know when someone just wants easy gold and no work or effort.
Brian remove that comment, or apologise if you want to have a happy time here if not it's back to Shor and their help and advice which appears to be non existent unless it's to sell you more high priced product.
I said it earlier this is Eldorado, there is no better resource anywhere but you won't get much backing having a go at any of the mods or even other members, I gave you a way out with the in your
defence comment, take it you won't be sorry, if you don't I'm afraid you will regret it if you really are interested in refining.
Geo
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your response to GSP was uncalled for. moderators are not above the rules here and if you feel you have been offended, you have the right to voice your opinion, its just the way you decided to word it. each member deserves to be respected so there's no flaming, no insulting, no name calling, even implied its all the same. you may as well have came right on out and said the whole line.
in my opinion GSP was not insulting you but informing you that you are expected to do your part in your quest for knowledge and letting you know that you can use the board features to do it, no matter how abrupt it was.
in my opinion GSP was not insulting you but informing you that you are expected to do your part in your quest for knowledge and letting you know that you can use the board features to do it, no matter how abrupt it was.
Brian66 said:
In your first post, you said, "I'm not new to this stuff at all," When I read that, and then read the Shor question, I wondered how someone that knew something about this stuff would have any interest in the Shor machine. I was forced to come to the conclusion that you probably don't know much at all. So, I provided you with 53 hits on the Shor Simplicity. That was the best answer you could receive. Everything we know about that machine is mostly in those 53 hits. Have you read any of them?
On those 1x1011 eboards you mentioned, GRF is, by far, the most definitive one for PM refining, etc. Of the handful of other sites that cover this subject, none have 1/10 the information or 1/10 the truly qualified people that GRF has. So, if you're really interested in this stuff, you would be a fool to get booted. I'm not going to boot you, but Harold might.
Like someone said, I was abrupt but I can't see where I was insulting. At least not enough to warrant being called an ass. And, I think I did make my point.
Welcome to the forum.
Chris
niteliteone
Well-known member
Brian66 said:
Please don't do any recovery or refining inside of your occupied house.
Even the shor system, though they claim it to be safe, will produce hydrogen gas. What do you think will happen if the wife turns on the stove to cook your dinner.
What type of material do you want to work with :?:
Different materials have their preferred recovery and refining methods.
No flaming. Just concern.
Tom C.
goldsilverpro said:
Thank you, Chris. I'm looking for current user reviews on the product. Perhaps if I stated it that way we have had different results. Sorry for the confusion.
No I'm not new to any part of it. Before there was a Youtube... I went through pounds of plated scrap electronics to develop my own methods of using only household chemicals for stripping plated material for pennies on the dollar. What I discovered years later was that I wasn't the only one with such ideas. My biggest problems have always been collection of neutral buoyancy plate. I had worked on changing the specific gravity of my water/acid/oxidizer solution to simply distill plate in seconds, but I have just about given up on that because there was too much copper in it. However, I did figure out a rather Homer Simpson way to resolve that problem. I also developed my own centrifugal separator from common PVC pipe. That worked well but it took too much time, and again it was too high tech and overly involved. So I'm just looking for a simple method that does the job.
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Be advised. We do not tolerate wiseguys here. If you can't behave, you're gone. Do not attempt to get in the last word. That doesn't fly here.Brian66 said:
I strongly recommend you offer an apology to GSP. Calling him an ass is not acceptable. Make it public, just like the insult you made. Do it now. Time is short. Otherwise you may have to rely on one of the other fora you mentioned for the knowledge you seek.
I refuse to allow anyone to remain on this forum that has no respect for the time and dedication it receives at the hands of faithful readers and moderators.
Harold
Geo
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Brian66 said:
nice knowing you Brian.
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